Issues with Policy?

[Sausaletus Rex]

There has been, today, some questions about forum policy. It is the response of the staff of this site that policy is not up for debate. What we say, goes. That's true but that's also misleading. All posters are welcome to bring their policy concerns to the members of this site's staff in private via PM. We feel that airing such grievances in public is not only off-topic but non-constructive as well. You won't see threads with titles like "omg! You locked my thread, evil mod!" for very long. It doesn't help anything. Don't talk about the boards on the boards. Take it to PMs.

However, that doesn't mean that you cannot question our actions or that when you PM us your complaints will fall on deaf ears. This, after all, is a forum. A place where people can come and discuss in open and honest debate. It's primarily a forum about Guild Wars but it really is what you, the posters, make of it. The staff is here to ensure that debate is open and honest. That people can post here without fear of harassment, intimidation, or exclusion. We are the police force making sure that peace and order are maintained. I have seen boards with no moderation and they are generally not very pretty. If all of the above is true, then forum policy can be discussed if you keep in mind the following :

Da Rules

If you have a concern about ANY person's misconduct, PM an Admin or a Moderator. DO NOT post about it.

DO NOT post deleted material, EVER. We delete things for a reason. You can refer to it (obliquely if you must), but be sensible.

DO NOT discuss forum policy, unless it is via PM or a logical/analyitcal debate. If you disagree with ANYTHING, use a PM and not a thread to talk about it.

This means that you cannot complain about policy. That you cannot whine that your post was deleted. You need to have a rational, analytical argument about why a policy might be misguided that goes quite a bit farther than "it sucks". In order to foster a dialog between the staff of this site and the posters on this forum, this thread will be the place where you can start such discussions. It's been placed in the Serious Discussion section of this site for a reason. We are very firm about going off-topic here. This thread will be monitor closely and posts found to not be made in the spirit of a philisophical debate about just what this site is doing and why will be removed without warning.

If you think you can follow those rules, post here and talk about what we're doing. If you think you can't, don't.

The topic which most of you will want to discuss currently is the decision to make the recently revealed changes to the skill acquisition system inappropriate for discussion. Reasons have been given for those decisions here (http://www.guild-hall.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1173) and here (http://www.guild-hall.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1176). It is, at the moment our policy and what will be enforced, but if you want to have an open and rational debate about the merits of that decision in a general sense, you may do so here.

[Charles Ensign]

I'd just like a clarification of what the new policy is regarding (potential) gameplay changes. What sorts of gameplay changes are we allowed to talk about, and which are taboo? As far as I can tell, topics that have not been officially announced on this site (or, will not be announced shortly) that are based on 'leaks' from the alpha cannot be discussed. If that's the official forum policy, I'm fine with discussing such leaks elsewhere, I'd just like to see that rule written out explicitly.

Peace,
-CxE

[Sausaletus Rex]

Yes, leaks cannot be discussed.

Scyne said it best I think in this thread (http://www.guild-hall.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1184) :

Guys, I'm sorry about that, but ArenaNet have told us what we can and cannot discuss. Items that are not yet in the game, or haven't finished implementation, are not allowed to be publicly discussed.

We are under contract.

This means that the NDA does cover potential gameplay changes that haven't been implemented yet. Unless that information has been "officially" released it cannot be discussed here because of that NDA. It covers more than just the alphas because of our status as an elite site. We've taken on certain responsibilities for our conduct and content in order to have more access to ANet and the game. And it's the policy of these boards that another fansite is not an official source. Unless you hear about it on the official site or from TGH it may be unavailable for discussion becaue it can be considered a leak. If you're unsure, it's best to check with a member of this site's staff before posting that information.

This probably would have covered elite skills back in the day, too, for example. Basically, the rule is if you find something out from somewhere else, check first because we might not be able to allow its discussion here. Things considered leaks from the closed and legally bound alpha test cannot be discussed on these forums because of our arrangement and close ties with ArenaNet.

[Charles Ensign]

If this site is going to be covered by the NDA, that fact should be stated somewhere in the forum rules. I'm fine with the rule, I'm just not ok with unwritten censorship.

I'd personally like to see relevant parts of the NDA quoted or at least paraphrased so I'd have a better idea as to what I am and am not allowed to discuss, but I wouldn't be surprised if that fell under a Catch-22.

Peace,
-CxE

[Scyne]

Basically, ArenaNet asked a while back that we not reveal or discuss the new skill system until it's finished, and we've had a chance to create an informed opinion on it.

That hasn't happened... the system is still new and less than 50% done, the major parts of it (to create a better skill economy than the 'gem' system, the capturing details, the way the system plays with regards to skill points, etc) are still incomplete. As such, any opinion we have is uninformed, and a poor basis for any argument.

What other fansites do is not up to us, but we're attempting to abide by the guidelines that were given us when the new system was implemented. While you, as an individual, are not bound by the NDA, all the forum staff are and we feel it is better to postpone discussion on NDA-covered issues for three reasons: This is an Elite fansite, and we'd like to adhere to a stricter policy of disclosure than others do. We feel it's our responsibility to maintain the spirit of the NDA, not just the letter. Unfinished systems are just that; unfinished. The deatils that have been given out so far are only half the story behind the changes planned, and will only cause misleading and pointless arguments. We'd rather be able to help discussion by participating in it, than be forced to say "no comment" every time a question is asked. We like to be able to clarify misconceptions as they arise, rather than letting them escalate into rumour and whining.

[Pinky's brain]

"DO NOT discuss forum policy, unless it is via PM or a logical/analyitcal debate. If you disagree with ANYTHING, use a PM and not a thread to talk about it."

^^^^^

This of course in an open thread about forum policy opened by mods ... so basically if we reply we are ****ed? :) By using humour to make an oblique comment on that bit of policy I guess I am.

PS. It is a pity you kids nowadays value boards over usenet.

You can filter out noise, but you cant filter out mods :( Progress my ass.

[GhostRaptor]

When a Mod opens the floor, that rule does not apply. Feel free to discuss here.

I can't at this stage add anything to what Scyne said. He's explained exactly why I made the decision to lock that thread temporarily. I didn't explain well enough when I did so, obviously, and for that I apologise. I wasn't well yesterday, I had headache and nausea.

I've asked Gaile for clarification on a) whether the release of this information was appropriate and b) if ANet is ok with the release, exactly how much of the new system we are allowed to discuss. This is under discussion by the devs, and until we get a response back from Gaile we will continue to operate under the safest possible assumption ... that the NDA applies and that discussion should therefore be suspended for the time being.

Edit: Clarification has been received. Discussion of the new system is now open, but we want to make sure that you are all aware that the system is only partially implemented and that we are only allowed to discuss those portions that are already in game. Please keep in mind that the system will be tested thoroughly over the next few weeks as its implementation is ongoing and that numerous changes may occur during that period.

[Pinky's brain]

I think this should be the last time this ugliness comes up ... noone wants to go back to how it was IMO. For instance discussing elite skills was paramount to understanding the alpha reports, avoiding the topic would have made them a stupid excercise. Nipping the reports in the bud would have been a great shame IMO.

I think this is the time to set a clear policy together with ArenaNet. The "if it is in it is open for discussion" policy was a clear one, it was probably pragmatism (cant put this genie back in the bottle anymore) which forced them to take that stand again now. You all should realise though, that this will be how it goes every time something comes up like this ... the defacto policy change set bad blood now, and it will set bad blood in the future if tried again.

Bad blood accumulates, it isnt worth it. Stick to a policy.

[Sausaletus Rex]

"DO NOT discuss forum policy, unless it is via PM or a logical/analyitcal debate. If you disagree with ANYTHING, use a PM and not a thread to talk about it."

As GR said don't worry too much about that rule here. You *can* and always have been able to have a logical/analytical debate about forum policy. As long as you can keep it general and impersonal, you don't need to resort to PMs. If you're going to use this thread to complain about why your ungodly seizure inducing sig has been taken down because a mod only asked you to do it three times and you failed to respond in any way whatsoever, then no, don't post here. If you want to talk about things in general terms, that's fine. Saying, "My post here in this thread got deleted and you said this but I don't understand it, could you explain that a little better for future reference because a lot of people seem to do it" would be fine. Saying, "My post here in this thread got delted when all I said was this. And poster X and poster Y said the same thing, what makes me different?" would not be. It's a fine difference but it's one we'll try to stick to in here. You can cite examples but you can't get an answer to a specific action here, just the policy that resulted in that action, if that makes sense. If you want to talk about what exactly happened, use PMs, not this thread. This thread is more for general issues, clearing up a fine point in the interpretation of the guidelines or for saying "what you guys are doing here is plainly wrong for these reasons, why are you doing it?"

This is not a "stupid mod tricks" thread, it's a thread where we can get some feedback from you where yoou won't have to worry about somebody hitting the delete button. What might be removed in another place for being off-topic will not be here. While you might find that asking "You deleted my post here and I'd like to know why" in that thread will get that post deleted that's not the case here.

What Charles and Pinky have posted are fine examples of what this thread should be used for. Explanations, clarrifications, advice or feedback.


PS. It is a pity you kids nowadays value boards over usenet.

You can filter out noise, but you cant filter out mods :( Progress my ass.

Hey, I remember usenet, too. I still prefer the boards. More bells and whistles, cetainly from where I'm sitting.

[NewbKillerzZ]

When this site was updated not only the background changed but the site got so strict about little things. like 1 example is off topic i remeber some1 maybe set a little flame but nothing that big and it got del and anouther post got deleted for being a bit off topic but it still had to do with the subject, ilm not gonig to mention the name, But mainly u Sausaletus Rex ilm pretty sure u deleted it it was in off topic, why such a strict policy, go back to archieved forum read what was talerated back then, ilm not saying its a bad thing u stop people from saying bad things, but u need to losinup a bit..

[Koiju]

While I agree that one or two of my posts were delted when I felt they were still on topic and therefore shouldnt have been deleted (I sent a PM the the mod in question) I still feel that ultimatly it is there job to make judgments as they see fit, and this IS a private (technically) board and therefore what they say goes.

[Cicciro]

Wait a second, A.Net asked whom to not discuss or reveal game items? Me? No, you! So why can't we talk about leaks here and have you not get invovled? That seems to work well, who cares if we don't have all the facts! It will all be corrected in time.

At these boards under the NDA, or is it just you? You in no way have to join in the discussions of leaked material. Did A.net state that if leaks pop up on the board by non-alphas they ask that you take them down? You aren't breaching any NDA by allowing things on the board as long as you didn't put them there. I've signed an NDA before, I know how they work, you are in no way obliged to remove all traces of "leaked" material from a forum if it is not posted by someone in the Alpha test. You are not the policemen of eachother in Alpha. Let A.net deal with leaks, and don't leak stuff yourself. That is the NDA.

I, as well as many others here, have no signed the NDA for Guild Wars, thus we are free to talk about what we know, even if they are leaks. We in no way have to tell who gave us the information or how we got our hands on it, but we are free to discuss it. If you want to police that here that is fine, but it doesn't make any sense unless A.net has asked you to not allow any leaked material to enter the forums by any means, not just your own. Yay for fine lines, yay for crossing them!

[ZiGGY^]

[Off Topic] can all threads mentioning Venezuela also be locked please :S

[Sausaletus Rex]

When this site was updated not only the background changed but the site got so strict about little things.

Let's be perfectly clear about this *again*. This announcement was made nearly a month ago :

Lately GR, MM, Celtic, Danny and I have been unable to moderate the forums properly. Because of this we've let many things slip by that we'd normally deal with. Also because of this, we are hiring new moderators, who, if they do their job, will seem to be a lot more strict than we are.

They are not on a power trip, nor is this a sudden crackdown on behaviour. They are merely enforcing the rules that the administrators have set, because we don't have the time to do so ourselves.

To be perfectly honest until I was appointed these forums were infrequently moderated, if at all. I'm not sure when or where it started, but in the past the boards had become nearly unreadable. Full of flames, of uncivililty, of pettiness, of the sort of thing that was mostly absent following E34E. I'm not sure how many of you post on other GW boards but I do (well, I did, anyway) and TGH had developed a pretty bad reputation. This was a "mean" board, a board where you had to be careful because any mistep would result in your being flamed. As the community has grown and as the community *will* grow as the game gets closer to release, that is simply unsustainable for a site that claims to be "elite", for a site that wants to be the source for Guild Wars.

So, yes, we're more strict around here than we were before. There were no moderators before, now that there are more eyes watching, more things are going to be caught and corrected. The way things are on these boards is closer to the way it was always intended to be than before I was appointed. We've always had the guidelines, it's just the admins never had the time to enforce them. We're all volunteers here, this is not a money making site, they all have other concerns and responsibilities that aren't simply limited to alpha testing. The site grew beyond their ability to properly monitor and once they realized they needed help to make sure that things weren't going to get out of hand, they got it. The amount of control has changed, and to me, it's a change for the better.

We're still working to smooth things out, working to do things better. We mods talk amongst ourselves, we ask ourselves "did I do the right thing?" all the time, in order to do so. We've made this thread, in order to do so. We'll learn from our mistakes and your concerns and more because we're far from perfect and we can and will do things better in the future. But, I, and the other mods are just doing our jobs. The admins made us mods to enforce the guidelines and that's what we do. The way things were on these boards and the old ones was not to the liking of many, including the staff here, and we're working to avoid going back there. Many things, many "little" things, that are caught and dealt with now weren't in the past, that's true. That doesn't make those things right or put me in the wrong. Look at it this way, if someone runs a stop sign every day for 100 days and doesn't get stopped by the police until the last day, what happens? Does their running 99 stop signs mean that the 100th time is perfectly fine? No, they're still getting a ticket. The rules were the same, the enforcement wasn't.

Wait a second, A.Net asked whom to not discuss or reveal game items? Me? No, you!

I can't comment on the alpha or even the alpha boards. I've never seen either. However, there must be some way of making sure that information to be revealed is not in breach of the NDA. Whether that's catching a dev and asking them for an OK, submiting an article for review, or some list of criteria posted somewhere, I don't know. But there must be some way of vetting what gets out. I've heard about rumors and things in the alpha that have since gone away, that were in the game but that never got made public, and never will be because they simply don't exist anymore. We are not getting the full picture, we know that, and what we get is controlled by the NDA.

The issue here is that TGH is an elite fansite. We hold ourselves to a high standard. We want to be the best GW fansite bar none. We have more access, more benefits from ANet because of our status and our relationship with them, and because of that we have certain responsibilities. We cannot simply do as we wish, we've tied our wagon to ANet's star too much for that. We have to take into account that relationship in such a decision as what to do with the skill capture system. It's a two-way street. They want us to help spread the word about their game and we want them to be as forthcoming as possible with us. If either of us acts in bad faith with the other that relationship is in jeopardy. There's nothing saying they can't become like othe development companies and reduce the flow of information to a steady trickle rather than the relative openness that we're getting. Sure, we could say all sorts of things about what's in the alpha but if we did we most likely won't be hearing from ANet again.

While it's true that you're free to talk about it all you want, the simple fact is that this is a private board and you've all agreed when you registered to abide by our rules. If we made a rule that you couldn't use the word "and" in any of your posts it would be stupid, it would be capricious, but if you wanted to keep posting here you'd have to follow it. If we say you can't discuss something here, you can't, end of story. Walk up to a friend, send an e-mail, go to a chatroom, whatever you want to say there you can, but not here.

It was the opinion of the staff of these forums that the skill capture system was, in fact, tantamount to a leak. Such things have heppened before and probably will happen again. I could probably leak something right now if I wanted. But I won't. Because it would get deleted and so would anything else talking about it. While not specifically covered by the NDA, this site is run by those who are, and those who run this site control what can be said here. If ANet asks us to take something down, we will, no question. We will even take down what we know they would ask us to take down because we want to maintain our good working relationship with those at ANet. And top on the list of things that ANet would like to see removed would be things that break the NDA. That NDA, that legally binding contract, is in place to prevent ANet's secrets from getting out. This game is still in alpha, the gaming industry is very competitive, they want to protect their intellectual property until they're ready to market it.

What happened is that the staff of this site believed that the skill capture system was nearly a leak, something that they'd been asked not to talk about and would take down instantly normally. However, other sites were publishing the information, and we were unclear as to what exactly would happen. The decision was made to halt those conversations, to lock those threads, to ask people to stop talking about it nicely at first and forcefully if they refused while we got in touch with ANet to confirm what we suspected. If true, those threads, those posts, would have to be purged. Simply erased, no deletion notice, no warning, nothing. The same to everyone who talked about it afterwards. The information would still be out there but it wouldn't be talked about here. If the information was okay, then we'd make an announcement about it, the alphas here would let you all know as much as they did about it, and we could unlock the thread (and it was only one thread at that point) and let the conversation continue with only a brief hiccup. The second scenario is exactly what played out. The threads are unlocked, any deleted posts about the skill system have been restored, perhaps not as quickly as we would have liked, but again, I can't comment on what was happening behind the scenes at all because I wasn't there. It's likely there was a lot of debate on this point among the fansite operators in the alpha and even with ANet.

So why can't we talk about leaks here and have you not get invovled?

You cannot talk about leaks for the simple fact that those who run this site have a duty and responsibility to those contracts that they signed. They operate this site, even allowing such talk to continue could be considered tacit approval. Those who run this site don't even want to appear to be winking at the NDA. You cannot talk about such things here without their involvment because they are involved in everything that goes on in this site, it's theirs. They made it and control it.

The staff of this site have very high standards when it comes to potential NDA issues. Their default position is that something is most likely not allowed unless they can get confirmation from ANet. Their boards are most likely not specifically covered by the NDA (Talking about the NDA seems to be covered by the NDA, I've never gotten a straight answer from any alpha about it) but they hold them to the spirit embodied in that document. What you will find here is 100% NDA permissibl without a doubt. You can be confident that the information found on this site will be accurate and allowed. That you won't hear about a change that will be gone the next day. That you can talk about what you find here anywhere else.

[Silver Bells]

The less I see of colored text the happier I am. If I want a rainbow on every page I'm at the wrong site.

Obviously if a thread spins out of control a mod needs to step in but I believe a mod shouldn't be seen or heard unless there is a serious issue. (With regards to actual modding)

Personally I think a lot of the 'censoring' is either a) overboard or b) done in a inconsistent fashion.

I remember a post of mine that got deleted even though the 5 posts above it referenced/said the exact same thing and didn't get deleted. Okay whatever.

[NewbKillerzZ]

The less I see of colored text the happier I am. If I want a rainbow on every page I'm at the wrong site.

Obviously if a thread spins out of control a mod needs to step in but I believe a mod shouldn't be seen or heard unless there is a serious issue. (With regards to actual modding)

Personally I think a lot of the 'censoring' is either a) overboard or b) done in a inconsistent fashion.

I remember a post of mine that got deleted even though the 5 posts above it referenced/said the exact same thing and didn't get deleted. Okay whatever.


agreed totatly if some1 has a question a little off-topic of what the forum is about let them type it without deleting it what would be better him posting it or him makeing a new board and asking it? I have seen a few posts deleted that had a little rude coment but nothing big, i don think the policy should be so strict this site has came #1 for striictness of fan sites of GW.

[Mashekle]

i don think the policy should be so strict this site has came #1 for striictness of fan sites of GW.

The strictness here only shows how much the guild hall's staff / mods actually care. They could just let us wild ruffians go nuts with the forums and not care at all, but frankly I'm glad they DO care. Besides, wouldnt the #1 strictest site be the #1 safest site for all ages to participate in?

[NewbKillerzZ]

The strictness here only shows how much the guild hall's staff / mods actually care. They could just let us wild ruffians go nuts with the forums and not care at all, but frankly I'm glad they DO care. Besides, wouldnt the #1 strictest site be the #1 safest site for all ages to participate in?


Well they sure didn't care much in the last forums they had archived forums, And really they just a little over board on everything, i can understand but i dont think any1 is gonig to say something really bad, it's not like a 7 year old never heard it before there something called a school and a school bus... the youngest ive ever seen on this site was 13 i wouldn't expect him to be dramitized by a little flame...

[Mashekle]

the youngest ive ever seen on this site was 13 i wouldn't expect him to be dramitized by a little flame...

I think its the parents oppinions I had in mind. I know plenty of 13 year olds who love to curse, and be hatefull, but I know even more PARENTS of 13 year olds who do not approve.

[LordFu]

I think its the parents oppinions I had in mind. I know plenty of 13 year olds who love to curse, and be hatefull, but I know even more PARENTS of 13 year olds who do not approve.
Yes, that is the real issue with minors. Not to mention that flaming in general is unconstructive, runs off contributing members, and is in general, uncalled for and in bad taste. Let's be mature about discussing things and treat each other like you would if the person was in the room with you, i.e. with a little respect for those who would act no different in real life. Just because the internet gives you annonimity, doesn't mean you should use it to act a fool.

[Blackace]

regardless this place has become a sensor bucket, anything even showing a hint of emotion is immediatly deleted and you all know the rest of the story. Funniest thing ever is a certain mod deleting my post with the reasons "YOU WILL NEVER EVER EVER INSULT ANYONE ON THIS FORUM!" and a few lines up im reading insults not from my post. Brilliant!

[LordFu]

Yeah, censorship most definitly is not cool. I was just commenting on the flaming, which is uncalled for. I haven't had any post deleted yet, so I don't have the emotional attachment to the issue like you. Maybe I should keep my mouth shut. ;)

[Blackace]

na dont be scared, courage will one day be rewarded :)

Atleast lately their havent been any mods pmsing though :)

[Citizen]

Yeah, censorship most definitly is not cool.
That depends on what you are censoring. The only stuff mods censor are flames, double posts, curses, and tangential messages.

even showing a hint of emotion
The only way any of this restricts emotions is if you decide to show that emotion by flaming another member. Really all we are trying to do here is make sure that this is a place where people can go and not expect to get blasted for every remark that someone disagrees with. There are plenty of forums out there that allow open flames, cursing, and double posts out the whazoo - all of which end up being trash heaps in no time.

As for people being focused on... *dramatic music plays* we do have a memory for people that are repeat offenders. This doesnt mean that we try to find an excuse to delete everything those people post; its just that if that person posts a flame for the 9th time, we arent going to hesitate snipping the comments. We always send the user a PM letting them know of the actions taken (If we didn't its because we forgot ;) ) and will ususally just send the user a PM asking them to revise what they posted if its in question.

[Silver Bells]

Time to resurrect this post, oh yes.

The Moderation Queue in the Guild Referral forum is failing miserably.

Above I stated that moderation is being applied inconsistently.

Well, that could not be more true than now.

[Cicciro]

I agree with Silver. It would be much easier to just let people post replies, but moderate the initial posts themselves, don't you think?

[Citizen]

We've noticed that as well and are trying to remedy the situation. The line between constructive and deconstructive criticism is pretty vague (what you are doing here is can be considered constructive in this case :D) , and we're doing our best. The point of the queue was to keep out posts like "your guild sux mine rox" and large personal attacks from ever getting to the referral board (yes, they do happen).

As for cicciro's idea, it may be more efficient than the queue. I was thinking if everyone would really activly PM the mods if anything seems unacceptable, it may be fine to just let it be queue-less discussion.

[Silver Bells]

Go queue-less and punish the abusers.

[Cicciro]

I'm really with SB on this, less protection, more ass kicking.

[Citizen]

GR's got it under control:

http://www.guild-hall.net/forum/showthread.php?p=21239#post212 39

[Cicciro]

Please stop deleting entire posts when some of it has relevance, thank you. This Path guy is trying to get two questions answered and by removing the entire post you are making it really hard to answer him. Just edit the posts and stop over modding.

[Pathegon]

Well I'm gonna post here to get this thread deleted also. Saus is just jealous is all. Trying to make it look like he is powerful. I'm sure Scyne, MM, or GhostRaptor will answer my pm's unlike someone else we know.

[Cicciro]

Saus, it would be nice if you read the rules again. You're on a power trip and deletign things that are acceptable to repost. Over modding is a crime.

[TheRealDecoy]

Sorry Cic, but I'm pretty sure Saus is only doing his job and isn't power tripping at all. As for any overmodding it seems the only ones on these forums that are having problems with overmodding are the few people that are having problems with the rules.

[Cicciro]

Read the rules TRD. We can repost material when all of the abuse is taken out. As the helpful person I am, I resposted just two simple questions from Pathegon with answers. FOr some reason these were "deleted material" even though the guidelines state I can repost it.

Also, I just recieved a PM from Sausy that said those are just guidelines and are subject to change. We don't know the rules, just general guidelines. I'm really close to just being done here. I'm sure no one will miss me, but that makes things easier.

I could have worded it better, sure, but what's in the guidelines are not rules but guides they are only what the staff here uses as a guide and a referrence for making our decisions. They can and have been changed. The staff here are the ones who have the final say about whether anything is or is not objectionable to the standards of this site, not the guidelines, and all moderators, including myself, have been given the latitude to decide these things for ourselves. If you don't like that you're welcome to take it up with an administrator.

A quote from that PM.

Also, another quote from that PM I will bring up:

If you repost something when only you are certain it was because of abuse and only you are certain the abuse is gone it can and will get deleted again. Be careful about it.

When all I do are repost the questions and my answers, how is there possible abuse attached? How Saus?