Why the Auction House is the only answer

[Reaper2k3]

Some of the less.. enlightened.. people who are brilliant enoguh to see that the trade system in this game is the epitome of terrible seem to want to suggest a solution in the form of a shop set up, first I will explain why this idea, and similar ones, are even worse than the trade channel idea.

1) Personal shops. This idea was explored in a miriad of Korean games: Lineage II, Ragnarok Online, ROSE online, etc. This creates two problems.
a) excessive amounts of lag due to people sitting afk for hours, even days, with some sort of visible symbol that they are a shop, and believe me, we would only be so lucky if they were afk. Due to this large amount of people sitting around, there will be lag and hard to mvoe to boot. The district system will hardly mitigate this since every top level district of nearly every outpost and town with people will be filled with shops.
b) This will NOT fix the spam. People that are not afk will still be yelling that their shops have this or that and that it is the cheapest around to lure people to their shops. And they will not use the trade channel.

2) Shop district. I hear they had this in everquest, or something. This idea is only slightly better than shops because all it is is maknig a district of the trade channel, which, like the trade channel, will only be used by a fraction, if any people at all. There will still be people pointlessly spamming that district and the main district everywhere else. It will probably be as empty as Denravi.


The only logical solution is an auction house. You give your items to an arbitrary NPC and it is stored somewhere and you suggest the price and people go to the NPC and look through the stuff for sell.

1) This will, GRADUALLY, cut down on spam. When people realize there are potentially THOUSANDS of other people selling the EXACT same item as them where the whole world can see the item, msot will realize there is no point in advertising what you are selling because there is no chance people will buy your item.

2) Will PROBABLY cut down on prices in the economy, it could probably technically have the opposite effect, but due to peoplew anting to buy the best thing as cheap as possible, they will sell it cheaper than their competitors. Since people can see what the thousands of other people are selling items for, they will know who is most likely to get their items sold: the ones that are cheapest. This could lower the prices of items pretty damn well and give more people easy access to them, which might help selling things on ebay

[warban]

The only logical solution is an auction house. You give your items to an arbitrary NPC and it is stored somewhere and you suggest the price and people go to the NPC and look through the stuff for sell.

I think An Auction is a good idea but i have one issue with it.
Auction house Farmers. They sit within the auction house all day and just buy everything that is below price and then resell it for a higher price. I would not want to see is the same few people selling masses apon masses of items just pushing the whole market price up.

Just a though.

[Branskins]

It will quickly cut down on spam, because people will stop buying from others in town, and will go to an AH directly, thus the spam will stop, and the selling will begin

[fender]

What an original idea. And posted in the correct forum, too.

[Reaper2k3]

Originally Posted by fender

What an original idea. And posted in the correct forum, too.

[Magnus Vincent]

Solution to Trade issue: Sell your stuff to the merchant.

[Dispari Scuro]

Originally Posted by Reaper2k3

1) Personal shops.

Ugh, no thanks. You'd rather trade GW's trade system for this?

That wouldn't eliminate the problem, it would just make it look different.

[Egarwaen]

Originally Posted by Dispari Scuro

Ugh, no thanks. You'd rather trade GW's trade system for this?

That wouldn't eliminate the problem, it would just make it look different.

No, no. he's saying that that's a stupid solution.

[Schizofren]

I love the idea with an auction. It will solve all the problems we have atm. Sadly, it will probably create some new, lesser problems, like the one warban mentions. Auction farmers who just buy and resell.

But, the thing is, they can farm as much as they want. If you set your price at 2k for a sword and someone buys it. Well then, mission accomplished. You got what you wanted. Even though they resell it, no one is tricked.

Also, the auction house must have a restriction on how many items you can put in. Otherwise people will just add lots of items there with insane prices, using the hall as a storage.

But the only issue I have with the auction house is that it´ll be extremely hard to sell items. Some people farms at least 3 hours a day, and these people will be able to set very low prices and still earn fortunes. I belive that 70% of the gold items will be impossible to sell, since someone else will sell something better for less money. As it is now, lots of items are sold to people who don´t really know what they are doing.

Anyways, these are just crap issues not even close to the problems we have now. Auction House ftw.

[Reaper2k3]

Originally Posted by Dispari Scuro

Ugh, no thanks. You'd rather trade GW's trade system for this?

That wouldn't eliminate the problem, it would just make it look different.

At least pretend you read what I wrote

+9 3 slot stiletto? that's a good item
>_>

[Shade4]

Originally Posted by Schizofren

I love the idea with an auction. It will solve all the problems we have atm. Sadly, it will probably create some new, lesser problems, like the one warban mentions. Auction farmers who just buy and resell.

But, the thing is, they can farm as much as they want. If you set your price at 2k for a sword and someone buys it. Well then, mission accomplished. You got what you wanted. Even though they resell it, no one is tricked.

Also, the auction house must have a restriction on how many items you can put in. Otherwise people will just add lots of items there with insane prices, using the hall as a storage.

But the only issue I have with the auction house is that it´ll be extremely hard to sell items. Some people farms at least 3 hours a day, and these people will be able to set very low prices and still earn fortunes. I belive that 70% of the gold items will be impossible to sell, since someone else will sell something better for less money. As it is now, lots of items are sold to people who don´t really know what they are doing.

Anyways, these are just crap issues not even close to the problems we have now. Auction House ftw.

As for the people that buy stufan resell at a higher price there could be for example a limit to how many items you can buy and sell a day...

[LeetSkeet]

pvp characters have perfect gear, auction house = useless

NOT RPG WARS!

[Riya]

Originally Posted by LeetSkeet

pvp characters have perfect gear, auction house = useless

NOT RPG WARS!

I'm going to have to agree.
While an auction house would be nice, it's not really applicable to GW I dont think. Yeah, it would cut down on the spam, but it's usefulness is...well.........
Seriously, I'd rather anet work on other much more important things.

[Arcad1a]

lol you pvpers got to realize pve is part of the game.

and you pvers got to realize pvp is part of the game.

that said, don't disgrace a pve idea just becuase it is about pve, and vice versa.
(course you could use the saying, if you have nothing good to say don't say anything at all)

all repear is doing is trying to bring a old topic up that was used in the beta, we have been wanting Auction houses since jan i believe, and they said they would and its been quite some time.

[Boleslav Chrobry]

Originally Posted by Riya

Seriously, I'd rather anet work on other much more important things.

Evidently they are, or else we would already have seen some trade improvements. I assume an auction house takes a lot of time and testing to create and thus, if anet has done anything beyond the concept stage, it is but a side project beneath their other priorities. We will have our solution in time, for better or worse, but anet clearly knows there are more important things they need to be doing.

[Reaper2k3]

Originally Posted by Riya

I'm going to have to agree.
While an auction house would be nice, it's not really applicable to GW I dont think. Yeah, it would cut down on the spam, but it's usefulness is...well.........
Seriously, I'd rather anet work on other much more important things.

you know how pve shouldnt get invovled in pvp technicality stuff? yeah, you pvp fanboys get out, you dont even have anything to support your opinion, if you are going to be an ignorant fool, do so in your own threads

[Riya]

Ugh, TGH, should've expected hostility.
Seriously, I have done next to no PvP yet. (though I admit that PvP is the reason why I got GW...but you know...unlock blah blah blah - that's another topic)

But I still dont really see the point in an auction house. Maybe it's just me, since I dont trade much. In MMOs, Auction houses I feel are needed because there is a lot more stuff and whatnot. In GW, everything passes by so quick in PvE. The only things I can see being put up is max dmg weapons, dye, and maybe crafting mats - all of which are advertised around the clock and are easily attainable from vendors or other players.

Yeah, it sucks when you're bombarded with WTS spam. That's why I use filters.
Yeah, it sucks when you're trying to sell something. But that's a once-in-a-while thing. Not a regular occurence (at least for me).

So I dont see a point in an auction house, though again - it would be nice, just not that useful.
Well unless maybe people put up a whole bunch of unIDed stuff for cheap. Then unlocks might come a little bit faster.

[Sesshomaru]

Originally Posted by Riya

Ugh, TGH, should've expected hostility.

Don't take it personaly. Reaper is the biggest jerk on these boards. Do yourself a favor and pretend hes not posting.

[Universal]

Originally Posted by warban

I think An Auction is a good idea but i have one issue with it.
Auction house Farmers. They sit within the auction house all day and just buy everything that is below price and then resell it for a higher price. I would not want to see is the same few people selling masses apon masses of items just pushing the whole market price up.

Just a though.

Let's define an auction house here:
auction - A public sale in which property or items of merchandise are sold to the highest bidder
house - Ummmm... Yeah....

Anyhow, how would you buy something in an auction below price? If an item goes to the highest bidder they can only sell it back to someone for about what they bought it for in the first place (hence the highest bidder). Or maybe I'm just crazy.

[Riya]

Originally Posted by Universal

Let's define an auction house here:
auction - A public sale in which property or items of merchandise are sold to the highest bidder
house - Ummmm... Yeah....

Anyhow, how would you buy something in an auction below price? If an item goes to the highest bidder they can only sell it back to someone for about what they bought it for in the first place (hence the highest bidder). Or maybe I'm just crazy.

Well, like in any other game with AHs. There's always some rich player who will buy out all of ItemA, and then put it all back up for bidding - with a higher price.

By "below price", I assume it means those that are put at a lower buyout price than all the others, so that it will sell faster.

[Reaper2k3]

Originally Posted by Riya

But I still dont really see the point in an auction house. Maybe it's just me, since I dont trade much. In MMOs, Auction houses I feel are needed because there is a lot more stuff and whatnot. In GW, everything passes by so quick in PvE. The only things I can see being put up is max dmg weapons, dye, and maybe crafting mats - all of which are advertised around the clock and are easily attainable from vendors or other players.

If an auction hosue would cut down on spam alone, we need an auction house. If you don't think we need an auction house visit Lion's Arch, visit Deldrimor, Ascalon, EBAY. You have no logical defense for your position other than, well we shouldn't have that. Good conclusion Spock

Anyhow, how would you buy something in an auction below price? If an item goes to the highest bidder they can only sell it back to someone for about what they bought it for in the first place (hence the highest bidder). Or maybe I'm just crazy.

There is this thing known as the buy out price, if you bid that, you win, no ifs and or buts.

Hey, I have an idea, I report all RKC members for flame baiting, because that is all they seem to do in any thread I have an opinion in

[Boleslav Chrobry]

My solution to that problem is to continuously maintain my own stock and sell it even cheaper each time until the ah farmers go bankrupt or give up. Of course this really only works in games like wow where a player can make a ton of a particular item and ensure that his own product is always available for less. I once crashed the price of a certain trade item for about a week this way to punish people for farming me.

[Riya]

Originally Posted by Reaper2k3

If an auction hosue would cut down on spam alone, we need an auction house. If you don't think we need an auction house visit Lion's Arch, visit Deldrimor, Ascalon, EBAY. You have no logical defense for your position other than, well we shouldn't have that. Good conclusion Spock

I didn't say we shouldn't have an AH. I even said it would be nice to have one.
Just I don't think it's useful enough that anet should focus on it. At least not now.

Hence my first post

Seriously, I'd rather anet work on other much more important things.

Again, spam sucks, but there are already easy ways around it (at least for me, bleh).

[Reaper2k3]

Originally Posted by Riya

I didn't say we shouldn't have an AH. I even said it would be nice to have one.
Just I don't think it's useful enough that anet should focus on it. At least not now.

What would you propose arena net be doing instead? Making you be able to remove capes? Fixing it so you can change the color of your pet? Ooh, ooh, I know! Make it so you can change your hair style!

Again, spam sucks, but there are already easy ways around it (at least for me, bleh).

Ignoring the MAIN CHAT is not a solution. Period. This is an issue that must be addressed an auction house should already have been in the game we have been asking for one for MONTHS. If you can get by with ignoring main, knock yourself out, don't provide unreasonable, unbacked up statements that "we just don't need one." Any game with a trade of items needs some sort of WORKABLE means of trading those items.

[LeetSkeet]

Originally Posted by Reaper2k3

you know how pve shouldnt get invovled in pvp technicality stuff? yeah, you pvp fanboys get out, you dont even have anything to support your opinion, if you are going to be an ignorant fool, do so in your own threads